IF there is a pack worth winning you will find Horsham footballer Scott Batchelor at the bottom of it.
It doesn't matter if it's a pre-season match in March or the last quarter of the grand final.
After playing senior football for almost 25 years he doesn't know any different.
Batchelor, 40, will run out for his 400th senior game when his Demons play Horsham United at Horsham City Oval tomorrow night.
The split is about 250 games in the Wimmera league with Horsham and Warracknabeal and 150 games at Homers and Kalkee, and a few interleague matches.
Batchelor has had a decorated career, including 10 premierships ? Homers, 1992, Warracknabeal, 1994, Kalkee 2000 and Horsham, 1990 and 2004-09.
He won the Wimmera league's highest honour, the Toohey Medal as the best and fairest player in the league.
He won four Dellar Family Medals, Horsham District league's equivilent.
"I was never going to be a high-marking forward," he said.
"Being a little man I just had to get in and get the ball.
"I doubt my game has changed too much ? there wasn't really any other way I could play the game."
Wimmera league observers, including his team-mates at the Demons, could tell people the same thing.
In round 14 Batchelor showed why he is respected when the Demons faced off against a determined Nhill side, poised to defeat them at Horsham City Oval and signal an end to the Demons' seven-year premiership reign.
But Batch stepped in and dominated the greasy, wet conditions.
It wasn't lost on those in the crowd that Batchelor and veteran team-mates David Johns and Terry Arnel were the difference in that opening half just as Batchelor's brilliance is not lost on his brothers in red and blue.
"Terry and David don't want me to ever retire," Batchelor said.
"They tell me all the time how they will keep on rolling me out in my wheelchair because they don't want to be the oldest blokes on the field."
One day they might be, even though Batchelor came back to the Demons in 2004 to finish his career.
Six seasons later he knows his senior career is coming to a close.
"I know I haven't got another 400 games left in me," he said.
"But I'm not putting a deadline on my career.
"When the time comes it will come.
"If we get the end of the year and have won another premiership then I will certainly have a long think about things. But right now I am enjoying it too much to give it away."